Caitlin Long, founder and CEO of Custodia Bank, and Meltem Demirors, chief strategy officer of CoinShares, share their concerns about crypto in the U.S. following a wild week in the banking sector. With Signature Bank’s takeover looking like a targeted takedown and crypto-friendly upstarts like Custodia being shadowbanned by the Fed, the two longtime experts look ahead at the fights to come. Is USDC next to land in regulators’ crosshairs?


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Show highlights:

  • how crypto is viewed as a “big, scary, and strange” industry
  • how Signature and Silvergate became so important for the crypto industry with SEN and Signet
  • why Caitlin says it’s “crystal clear” that we are now in Operation Choke Point 2.0, with U.S. regulators pushing to debank the crypto industry
  • why Caitlin says the Fed’s vote against Custodia’s application was preordained
  • whether Sen. Elizabeth Warren had an impact on the current crisis
  • how everything comes down to game theory
  • whether VCs are responsible for causing the bank run
  • whether the rollback in 2018 of certain provisions of the Dodd-Frank Act played a role in the recent collapse
  • Caitlin’s hot takes on what happened with Signature Bank
  • the unique characteristics of Custodia’s business model as a bank
  • how stablecoins challenge the current financial system
  • why it’s so important for crypto to improve its public perception


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