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How do stablecoin-first blockchains win distribution? Does TVL actually map to value? And why speculation may become the default language of online culture.
In this 3-part episode, we explore three different important stories.
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- Segment 1: CoinFund’s Seth Ginns explains how newly launched stablecoin chain Plasma aims to compete, plus why the “stablecoin race” with Circle and Stripe is just beginning.
- Segment 2: Solana Foundation president Lily Liu lays out why revenue—not TVL—should be crypto’s north-star metric, whether TVL can be easily gamed, and what a better DeFi metric stack looks like.
- Segment 3: Figment Capital’s James Parillo makes the case for Pump.fun and “AudienceFi”: how creator coins can financialize streaming, whether token collapses are a feature, and why both perps and memecoins rhyme with gambling.
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Guests:
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- James Parillo, General Partner at Figment Capital
- Lily Liu, President of Solana Foundation
- Seth Ginns, Managing Partner and Head of Liquid Investments at CoinFund

